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Thank you so much for your thoughtful and generous reply! It’s really valuable to hear from someone with direct experience of being within the Oxbridge space. The context you’ve provided, especially around the 70% state school statistic and the efforts being made behind the scenes, is genuinely appreciated.

We completely agree that progress has been made and that many people within these institutions are working hard to challenge outdated perceptions and make Oxbridge more inclusive. Your point about the “legacy student” terminology and its different connotations in the UK is also well taken.

At the same time, we believe it’s important to acknowledge that some prospective applicants, especially those from underrepresented backgrounds, can still feel alienated by the broader cultural and historical associations. Even if those impressions aren’t always accurate, they can still shape someone’s decision about whether a place feels right for them.

At the end of the day, a degree is a degree. The idea that where you get it from inherently makes it more valuable is part of a wider cultural narrative that romanticises certain institutions. That’s not to say those institutions don’t offer incredible opportunities, but it is worth questioning how much of our belief in their superiority comes from tradition, perception, and privilege rather than objective value. (Proud Marjon/Falmouth and Bath/Kingston students here!) But that's a different conversation entirely, I think.

I'm really glad to be having this conversation and I'm incredibly grateful for your insight. The reality is, I can only speak from the outside looking in!

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This makes me really sad.

As someone who went to a state school, then Oxford (as the first in my family to go to uni at all) and now works at Cambridge in a role based on Access and Outreach, I totally acknowledge that some of these issues are real but, overall, I don’t think this is a fair depiction of Oxbridge.

In the 2024 admissions round over 70% of acceptances to Cambridge were state school students (I am aware that this is below the national proportion of state school students- but it’s definitely a significant majority!) and the budgets for access, outreach, and widening participation are some of the highest for universities in the U.K. so these institutions absolutely are making space for people of all backgrounds.

Is there work still to do? Of course- that is part of my job and the jobs of many other staff across both unis but I promise you we are doing that work.

And “legacy students” is absolutely not the same here as it is in the US- I know you never claimed it was, it’s just the phrasing has *connotations* so I want to make it super clear- No one gets priority access to admissions because of a family connection. I have been involved in the admissions process here in Cambridge, and it’s just not something that is involved in the decision making process *at all*.

I also don’t think it’s fair to imply that someone accepting an Oxbridge offer is “accepting” a legacy of slavery…So many students of both universities are the loudest and most passionate voices on topics like this within the universities, working hard to dismantle this difficult legacy and contribute positively going forward. What better place to do that than from the inside?

Don’t get me wrong I am also very happy that students are looking into their university choices more critically. I totally agree with you on this. If someone feels that the courses, the university as a whole, or anything really is not something that aligns with them, then all power to them. Oxbridge is definitely not the only place people can get a fantastic education nor is it the right fit for everyone. The world has hundreds of amazing universities (and, let’s be real, heaps of great non-university options) and I want people to make the right choices for them first and foremost and if that leads to less Oxbridge applications that’s fine by me.

But it makes me disheartened to think that people from non-traditional backgrounds, who are interested in coming and who would absolutely thrive here, are being put off because they think that it’s too posh (the Sutton trust respondent quoted was, in part, put off by people at the ‘open day’ who may not have even got in themselves 😢) or that their application/acceptance would be seen as support for historical exploitation and violence because I just don’t think either of those things really is the case.

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